Interesting People Reading Poetry is a short, sound-rich podcast where artists and luminaries read a favorite poem and share what it means to them. Created by Andy & Brendan Stermer.
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Songwriter Grian Chatten (Fontaines D.C.) Reads Gerard Manley Hopkins
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In this episode, Grian Chatten reads “The Windhover” by Gerard Manley Hopkins. Chatten is the frontman of the Irish post-punk band Fontaines D.C., recently described by NME as “the new heroes of the rock resurrection.” The members of the group met while attending music college in Dublin and initially bonded over a shared love for Irish literature. …
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Photographer Alec Soth Reads Wallace Stevens
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In this episode, Alec Soth reads “Of Modern Poetry” by Wallace Stevens. Soth is a photographer based in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He has published over twenty-five books and has been called a “living legend” and “one of the most important photographers working today” by the Washington Post. Soth’s recent photo book, I Know How Furiously Your Heart is…
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Podcast #25 - Episode From My Brother's Podcast - with Kevin Meiselman
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Podcast #25 - Episode From My Brother's Podcast - with Kevin Meiselman by Matt MeiselmanBy Matt Meiselman
In this episode, Sheryl Paul reads from “Song of Myself” by Walt Whitman. Paul is a counselor working in the tradition of Jungian depth psychology. She runs the popular blog and website, Conscious Transitions, and is the author, most recently, of The Wisdom of Anxiety: How Worry & Intrusive Thoughts Are Gifts to Help You Heal. Paul writes of anxiet…
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Filmmaker Jennifer Crandall Reads Mark Strand
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In this episode, Jennifer Crandall reads “Keeping Things Whole” by Mark Strand. Crandall is a documentary filmmaker and journalist. She is the creator, most recently, of Whitman, Alabama – a must-watch web series in which Alabama residents recite passages from Walt Whitman’s poem, “Song of Myself.” Crandall has described the project as “an experime…
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Biblical Translator Robert Alter Reads the Song of Songs
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In this episode, Robert Alter reads from his translation of the Song of Songs. Alter is a literary critic and translator based at the University of California, Berkeley. In 2018, he published a landmark, one-man translation of the entire Hebrew Bible – the culmination of over two decades of scholarship. The Song of Songs – sometimes referred to as …
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Podcast #24 - Communicating Effectively About Our Differences - with Jordan Rosenblum
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Podcast #24 - Communicating Effectively About Our Differences - with Jordan Rosenblum by Matt MeiselmanBy Matt Meiselman
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Painter Enrique Martínez Celaya Reads Miguel Hernández
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In this episode, Enrique Martínez Celaya reads “Elegy for Ramón Sijé” by Miguel Hernández. Martínez Celaya is a world-renowned painter, sculptor, and the author of On Art & Mindfulness, among other books. He lives and works in Los Angeles. Miguel Hernández (1910-1942) was an early 20th-century Spanish poet. The elegy featured in this episode was wr…
In this episode, composer Libby Larsen reads “Wolf Song in Los Angeles” by Bill Holm. Larsen is one of the most prolific and most performed living American composers. Bill Holm (1943 – 2009) was a poet and essayist who lived in western Minnesota. Throughout the episode, you’ll hear excerpts from Larsen’s musical setting of “Wolf Song in Los Angeles…
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Journalist Krista Tippett Reads Rainer Maria Rilke
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In this episode, On Being Project founder and CEO Krista Tippett reads “God speaks to each of us as he makes us” by Rainer Maria Rilke. She shares how the poem gave her courage and resolve during the creation of her public radio show, Speaking of Faith, in 2003. In the years since, Speaking of Faith has grown and evolved into The On Being Project, …
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Representative Ilhan Omar Reads Warsan Shire
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In this episode, U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar reads “Conversations about home (at the deportation centre)” by Warsan Shire and reflects on the many meanings of home. On November 6, 2018, Omar became the first Somali American, and one of the first two Muslim women elected to U.S. Congress. She represents Minnesota’s 5th congressional district. Thi…
In this episode, entomologist Dr. Marla Spivak reads “When Grapes Turn to Wine” by Rumi and discusses how Rumi can teach us to “think like bee.” Dr. Spivak is a MacArthur “genius” Fellow known for her groundbreaking research on bee behavior and biology. “When Grapes Turn to Wine” by Rumi, translated by Robert Bly, appears in the book If Bees Are Fe…
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Podcast #23 - Sports Betting and DFS - with Derek Carty
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Derek Carty is the creator of the MLB projection system known as THE BAT, available at Rotogrinders.com and also through Fangraphs.com. We break down some of the core predictive issues in sports betting and DFS, common misconceptions, and potential solutions. We mostly focus on baseball, but touch on some other sports as well.…
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Playwright Harrison David Rivers Reads Essex Hemphill
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In this episode, playwright Harrison David Rivers reads “For My Own Protection” by Essex Hemphill and discusses the use of the poem in his recent play, This Bitter Earth. Rivers is the recipient of fellowships from the McKnight and Jerome Foundations and is a core writer at the Playwright’s Center. “For My Own Protection” by Essex Hemphill appears …
In this episode, writer Chris Kraus reads “Miserable Life” by Steve Levine and discusses how New York School poetry influenced the development of her distinctive style. Kraus is the author of I Love Dick (now an Amazon Original Series) and, most recently, After Kathy Acker. “Miserable Life” is used by permission from To and For (Coffee House Press,…
In this episode, Amy Thielen reads “Death Again” by Jim Harrison and explores the relationship between great food and great literature. Amy Thielen is a chef and two-time James Beard Award-winning writer. She’s the author of The New Midwestern Table (a cookbook) and Give a Girl a Knife (a memoir). She’s also the host of Heartland Table on Food Netw…
In this episode, DJ Rekha reads “A Litany for Survival” by Audre Lorde and discusses dancing as an antidote to fear. DJ Rekha is a producer, curator, and educator based in New York City. Her classic debut album, DJ Rekha presents Basement Bhangra, was released in 2007. Her monthly party, Basement Bhangra, ran from 1997 to the summer of 2017 – makin…
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Podcast #22 - Can We Quantify Life? - with Jordan Rosenblum
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Jordan Rosenblum and I discuss the value of life, mathematically! (kind of). Inspired by a Sam Harris conversation with anti-natalist David Benatar, we talk about the symmetry/asymmetry of good and bad, the distinction between non-existence and death, and many more fascinating subjects...By Matt Meiselman
We’re celebrating the last episode of our first season with a special double feature, recorded live at Java River Cafe in Montevideo, Minnesota. Our guests are Chris Koza and Malena Handeen. Chris Koza is the frontman of the Americana rock band Rogue Valley. In this interview, he reads a poem by U.S. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith that helped inspire…
In this episode, comedian Mary Mack reads “Attention Please! Attention Please!” by Roald Dahl. Mack is a nationally touring stand-up comic, beloved for her singular oddball folk humor. She’s been on Conan and WTF with Marc Maron. Her latest album is Ms. Taco Man. “Attention Please! Attention Please!” by Roald Dahl appears in the book Charlie and th…
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Attorney Nekima Levy-Pounds Reads Maya Angelou
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In this episode, Nekima Levy-Pounds reads “Still I Rise” by Maya Angelou and discusses the strength she draws from the resilience of her ancestors. Pounds is a decorated attorney, ordained Reverend, and former president of the Minneapolis NAACP. “Still I Rise” by Maya Angelou appears in the collection And Still I Rise, published by Random House. Ke…
In this episode, Kao Kalia Yang reads “To the Placenta of Return” by Mai Der Vang and discusses the sacrifices mothers made to protect their families during America’s Secret War in Laos. Over the course of two award-winning memoirs, Yang has charted the physical, political, emotional, and spiritual terrain of the Hmong journey to the United States …
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Biologist Rob Wallace Reads Derek Walcott
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In this episode, evolutionary biologist Rob Wallace reads “The Sea is History” by Derek Walcott and discusses the importance of questioning historical narratives that justify the status quo. Wallace was alt-CDC before it was a Twitter handle. He blogs at Farming Pathogens and is the author of “Big Farms Make Big Flu: Dispatches on Infectious Diseas…
In this episode Gaelynn Lea reads “53” by E.E. Cummings and discusses the importance of acknowledging the duality of light and darkness in life. Lea is a folk singer, disability advocate, and the winner of the 2016 NPR Tiny Desk Contest. The music in this interview is from Lea’s album, The Songs We Sing Along the Way. Her latest album is Learning H…
In this episode, Waziyatawin reads “Cry Your Tears” by John Trudell (pictured above) and explores the complexities of solidarity. Waziyatawin is a leading Dakota intellectual, activist, and the executive director of Makoce Ikikcupi, a non-profit dedicated to Dakota land recovery. Her influential book, What Does Justice Look Like? is available from …
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Novelist Benjamin Percy Reads Brian Turner
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In this episode, Benjamin Percy reads “At the Lowe’s Home Improvement Center” by Brian Turner. Percy writes the Green Arrow and Teen Titans series’ for DC Comics, and recently published a terrifying fourth novel, “The Dark Net.” “At the Lowe’s Home Improvement Center,” by Brian Turner, appears in his collection, Phantom Noise, published by Alice Ja…
In this episode, composer Maria Schneider reads “Walking by Flashlight” by Ted Kooser and discusses the process of setting poems to music. Schneider’s 2016 album, The Thompson Fields, won the Grammy for Best Large Ensemble Jazz Album and includes a musical setting of “Walking by Flashlight.” “Walking by Flashlight,” by Ted Kooser, appears in the bo…
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Podcast #21 - Daily Fantasy Baseball and Assessing Value - with Aidan Hanlon and Ben Drozdoff
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Former Trackman associates Aidan Hanlon and Ben Drozdoff join the Preaching Sense Podcast for a discussion that alternates between very unique baseball commentary and a breakdown of some of the hardest parts of playing daily fantasy sports.By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #20 - Everything is Probably Average - with Ben Drozdoff
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Ben Drozdoff joins yet again as we check in on the early stages of the MLB season. We discuss swinging strikes, traditional views, bullpens, managing rosters, and just a little bit of a math. Bunts are bad, defense doesn't matter #Moneyball.By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #19 - Drugs. Anxiety. Mental Health. - with Jordan Rosenblum
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The Preaching Sense Podcast returns after a brief hiatus with an episode about the mind. Jordan Rosenblum joins for a discussion about anxiety, depression, mental health, and drugs.Some meaningful and/or meaningless things to clarify:-Some of our arguments seem to change and evolve as the conversation progresses. This is a normal thing in human int…
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Podcast #18 with Daniel Stermer, Jordan Rosenblum, Brett Altman
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On this episode, friends of Preaching Sense (Daniel Stermer, Brett Altman, and Jordan Rosenblum) recap a trip across Europe.We talked about our tumultuous journey to Denmark, a Spanish festival called Las Fallas, and also some of the differences between the American political system and Scandinavian political systems. Our friend Jordan is a bit of …
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Podcast #16 with Daniel Stermer and Ryan Goldfarb
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Sterm and I talk to fellow Terp Ryan Goldfarb about his new real estate business: Berry Lane Partners. We cover Ryan's background and path to starting his own unusual career, animosity towards nine to fives (classic), taking control of your own life, Terps basketball, sports betting, and more!By Matt Meiselman
Rob Lawless started a project called Robs10kfriends, with the goal of meeting 10,000 new people (for an hour each!). Today, I was #724. We talked about both of our back stories and how we found ourselves along our respective current career trajectories. We went in depth on Rob's project, my gambling background, and the similarities between podcasti…
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Podcast #14 (Part 2 of 2) with Mike Lefkowitz
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Part 2 with Mike Lefkowitz, who talks about a falling out with 2 of his friends. Sort of a sad episode! Characters mentioned: Dan Wynn, Mike Schwartz, Melissa Bagli, Jeff Granat, Jordan Rosenblum, Max Reich.By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #14 (Part 1 of 2) with Mike Lefkowitz
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Inside the mind of a Trump voter (again!) who may or may not be too optimistic about his president’s intentions. We recap Trump’s first week in office, evaluate Trump’s insanity and his “possible” intelligence, and talk about where pro-choicers have gone too far. We also cover intricacies of women’s issues in the workforce, ethical responsibilities…
The Preaching Sense Podcast flies in Jordan Rosenblum all the way from Denmark for a light-lunged (I mean light-hearted) conversation about education, Cristopher Nolan, the founding fathers, political correctness and free speech, Derek Jeter's eternal baseball career, absolute and relative meaning, Thomas Jones (and why Jamaal Charles should get mo…
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Podcast #12. Daniel Stermer. Matt Kaplan. Max Reich.
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Daniel "Sterm" Stermer, Matt "Kapy" Kaplan, Max "Max" Reich, and I talk about New Year's Resolutions, nutrition, strange foods (like scary strange foods), geography & maps (not sure why this always comes up), having children and how to decide if you're ready, and the Ronda Rousey fight. Lots to learn here!…
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Podcast #11 with Daniel Stermer and Brandon Klausner
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One of my oldest friends Brandon Klausner joins us as we dissect and dismantle two of the largest constructs in American culture: football and religion.By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #10 with Daniel Stermer and Lee M
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Friend of the show (and friend in real life) Lee joins us for a pretty risqué discussion: We talk about marriage, relationships, courtship, Twitter, and offending people. Lee has some pretty interesting life experiences, and a lot of experience in general (he's old). Follow him on Twitter @NakedHangover.…
An episode that will make you question everything you've ever known! Sterm and I discuss Westworld (*Spoiler alert for those who haven't caught up to Westworld episode 8 'Aired 11/20/16'. Fast forward past the first 5:30 if you don't want to hear any spoilers!*), robots, artificial intelligence, social constructs, political correctness (yes, we do …
Max Reich joins the podcast (without Daniel Stermer...sorry Sterm) to talk about Thanksgiving eve (yay!), Donald Trump (obviously.), Canada (what?), Kanye(please come on the podcast? please kanye! Also FU Kanye.), Joe Rogan (hey Joe!). Plenty of other stuff too!By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #7 with Daniel Stermer and Noah Kirsch
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Noah Kirsch joins us to recap the election, Nate Silver's projections, Nate Silver's hair, protestors, and some other depressing shit. But we also talk about UFC 205! And other sports! Things that don't make us as sad!By Matt Meiselman
My oldest friend Greg Ehrenberg and I discuss daily fantasy sports, planets, comedy, social media, voting, internet outrage, and infomercials. Greg currently writes columns for basketballmonster.com and gives daily fantasy advice via twitter @gehrenbergdfs (which we may have mentioned a few times). Greg also occasionally says funny stuff.Also, I wa…
In our most politically oriented episode yet, I talk to Mike Lefkowitz, who is probably the biggest supporter of Donald Trump that I know. The goal here was to hit on as many political issues as possible and get a perspective from someone who feels that Donald Trump is a better choice for president than Hillary Clinton, which is exceedingly rare in…
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Podcast #4 with Daniel Stermer and Andrew Braunstein
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Long time listener (Anonymous) Braunstein joins us for an extensive discussion about law school(congrats man!), LinkedIn, funny noises, anonymity, political correctness, cool parties, Facebook, fame, wealth, Netflix, HBO, Halloween, and holy shit this is a long list of topics... enjoy!By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #3. Matt Meiselman, Daniel Stermer, Andrew Harrison
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Sterm and I reunite with The Chief "aka Andrew Harrison". We talk about some very politically incorrect shit, including torture, religion, bombing Russia, and Bruce Springsteen!By Matt Meiselman
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Podcast #2. Matt Meiselman, Daniel Stermer, Jordan Rosenblum
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Matt Meiselman, Daniel Stermer, and long lost friend Jordan Rosenblum discuss far away places, social norms, self improvement, and the meaning of life. Choppy audio for the first 2-3 minutes so bear with us. It'll be worth it, guaranteed or your money back!By Matt Meiselman
The first podcast for www.PreachingSense.com. Name of this podcast still TBD. Daniel Stermer and I talk about sports, why we don't really like sports anymore, TV, education, how to give advice, and how to have discussions, with a lot of nonsense in between.By Matt Meiselman