The Epidemic of Racism (with DeRay Mckesson)


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Andy talks to DeRay Mckesson about another epidemic sweeping the country — violence by the police against Black people. They talk data and policy solutions, and DeRay provides a personal and comprehensive view of what’s been going on across the country in the wake of George Floyd’s murder at the hands of the Minneapolis police. Then Andy calls disability activist Sinéad Burke in Ireland to provide a global perspective on militarized police and what we can learn about disability and accessibility in a pandemic.

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DeRay and Sinéad shared so many resources in this episode! Follow up on those leads:

- Visit Campaign Zero at and check out their new initiative to clarify the eight things that need to happen to demilitarize the police at #8can’twait and

- Examine the data on police violence for yourself. DeRay is a creator of, the most comprehensive database of police violence in the country. In this episode, DeRay also talked about the Washington Post police shootings database ( and the Fatal Encounters database (

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- Watch Sinéad’s TED Talk:éad_burke_why_design_should_include_everyone?language=en

- Who gets medical care?,, and

- The Ruderman Family Foundation ( published a report on disability and police violence:

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