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Christopher Eaker and Maggie Schlosser are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. Check out their ministries: Christopher: SteppingStonesLife.com and Maggie: RavachMinistries.org.
 
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In this episode, Christopher sits down with two of his friends, Jason Elam and Derek Myers, to talk parenting, specifically being a dad, through deconstruction. How do we teach our children about our faith while our own beliefs are constanting changing? How do our discipline techniques change? We talk about these questions and many others in this e…
 
It was good to get together with Aaron Tomlinson to talk about the Main Thing. In most churches, it’s usually expressed at Evangelism, but usually practiced as the marketing end of the organization. We talked about what truly must become the main thing for us here in the desert. It was a little different for each of us. Out Into the Desert – The Ma…
 
In this conversation, we speak with activist and former pastor Joshua Lawson about his compelling work with people who struggle with substance use disorder. We dive into the roots of addiction, the hidden cost of the "war on drugs" and how each of us can make a difference in this fight. Joshua's excellent book, The Face of Addiction, is available h…
 
Jason steps in to help us talk about being addicted to church. Organized religion is designed to attract people. It IS addictive. Then Monday, the high wears off and we start pre-using, dreaming about going back. Of course we like it, just like I used to like sodas-I was addicted to it. We took Cindy Wang Brandt’s advice and took a year off, only i…
 
In this episode we chat with Sandhya Jah. Sandhya Jha (she/they) is an anti-oppression consultant who particularly loves helping organizations get Diversity/Equity/Inclusion teams off the ground. Sandhya is the founder and former executive director of the Oakland Peace Center, a collective of 40 organizations working to create equity, access, and d…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Ashley Robbins and hear about her fundamentalist upbringing and how she broke free from that. We discuss religious trauma, purity culture, and Ashley's more expansive view of God. Warning: we get into some heavy stuff, so we just wanted to let you know if you have little ears around. Christopher…
 
In this episode we chat with...no one but each other. Nat & I thought it would be good to start the new year off with a look back at the last year of the podcast. Chat about the things that caught us off guard. We chat about the guests we had on. We chat about what we were and were not prepared for. We chat about how humbling this experience has be…
 
So, here we go! This begins our serious on our soon-to be published book, “Out Into the Desert.” The subtitle of the book is Thriving Outside Organized Religion. It is not an attack on religion, it is a review, mostly of Christianity. It is also some of our experience as pastors for 20 years. The three co-hosts and Laura and I will progress through…
 
The five of us: Laura Forehand, Jason Elam, Aaron Tomlinson, Kyle Butler and Karl Forehand talk about authenticity. All four of us were pastors and told to follow our calling, but that really meant becoming what people wanted us to do, since God’s will was interpreted through people. In this episode we talk about what it means that the universe has…
 
In this episode we chat with Hemant Mehta (AKA The Friendly Atheist) Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. He is a former National Board Certified high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago, where he taught for for seven year…
 
We're kicking off season three today with a special introduction by our friend, Ashley Robbins! My guest this week is prolific author and podcaster, Keith Giles! In this conversation, we discuss our cultural addiction to violence and what we can do to break the cycle of violence in our context. Keith's latest book is Jesus Unarmed: How the Prince o…
 
In this episode we chat with Jonathan Foster. Jonathan Foster is the award-winning author of the following books… • Where Was God on the Worst Day of My Life • Death, Hope, and the Laughter of God: An Unlikely Title About the Unlikely Path Where God Finds Us • Questions about Sexuality that Got Me Uninvited from My Denomination • The Hope and Melvi…
 
In this conversation, I talk to my friend, Todd Vick, about his continuing spiritual journey and how we set about reconstructing our mind after deconstruction. Todd Vick is an author, podcaster, and former pastor. His latest book is entitled "The Reconstructing of Your Mind" and it was published by Quoir. You can connect with Todd on Facebook, Twit…
 
In This episode we chat with Eric Howell & Jason Elam. Eric is a husband a father of two, and audio wizard. He is the man behind the curtain of deconstruction podcast. Producing shows such as Heretic Happy Hour, The Messy Spirituality Podcast, The Reconstruction Podcast, and this very show - This Is Not Church. He hails from Arab, Alabama. He disli…
 
This is a continuation of the conversation from Episode 28. In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Chrystal Brown, Chris Battle, and Mary Terry. Their bios are below. We discuss Chrystal's and Chris's experiences being Black in America and in the church, in particular. This is the second part of a two-part conversation. We also recor…
 
In This episode we chat with Bayo Akomolafe. Bayo Akomolafe is the grateful life-partner to ‘EJ’, father to Alethea Aanya and Kyah Jayden Abayomi, son of Olufunmilayo Ibidapo Akomolafe and Ignatius Abayomi Akomolafe, and descendant of Yoruba fields of archetypal becomings and mythopoeic landscapes. He is an author, celebrated speaker, teacher, and …
 
That’s right, we’re taking a break from social media for the month of December. Email us or send s a text if you really need to tell us something. We may not check it very often. karl4hand@gmail.com lauraforehand64@karl4hand Karl and Laura Subscribe to Blog via Email Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of ne…
 
In This episode we chat with Josh Lawson. Josh Lawson lives with his family in Wheelersburg Ohio, where he serves his community in a variety of roles as recovery program coordinator for the Shawnee State University Kricker Innovation Hub. He works to connect people in recovery with entrepreneurial skills and services that will help them succeed in …
 
So grateful for Kyle being willing to talk to us once a month. His wisdom and insight is powerful at times. Once again, we go inside and talk about real healing Kyle Butler Subscribe to Blog via Email Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Email Address: Subscribe Order Being or the The B…
 
In this episode, Christopher and Maggie sit down with Chrystal Brown, Chris Battle, and Mary Terry. Their bios are below. We discuss Chrystal's and Chris's experiences being Black in America and in the church, in particular. We cover alot of ground in this episode, so this is the first part of a two-part conversation. We also recorded this video, s…
 
Recently, I had a beautiful and life giving conversation with my friend, Joe Machuta. In this conversation, we discuss Joe’s eclectic spiritual journey as well as his stubborn love for Jesus. It really is worth an hour of your time and I sincerely hope you will check it out! I know that this conversation will stretch many of us theologically, but t…
 
In this Episode we chat with Jeff Chu. Here is Jeff's bio in his own words. I wear several different hats to cover my coarse Chinese hair, which requires too much product to tame: Writer, reporter, editor. Co-curator and co-host, with Sarah Bessey, Of Evolving Faith. Editor-at-large at Travel & Leisure. Occasional preacher. Teacher in residence at …
 
No matter what we call our journey, it is necessary to face our woundedness. We talk with Aaron again about how that happens. This is all things shadow and inner child. The time went quickly and we probably just scratched the surface, but enjoy! Remember, we are taking off the month of December. Look for us around the first of the year to do a kick…
 
We’ve been waiting a while to talk to Dallas Verity. He and Blair have had some amazing interviews on their podcast, Shipwreck Over Safety. But we got to know them more through our conversations on various broadcasts over the years including The Desert Sanctuary. When I knew we were going to talk, I kept seeing Dallas Verity lookalikes every where …
 
In this Episode we chat with David Gungor. David is a musician, a pastor at Trinity Grace Tribeca, the Director of Partnerships for a peacemaking organization called Telos, and the CEO of Higher Love. David is also a producer and songwriter, and is in a band called The Brilliance. David is involved with Narrative $, a global organization headed up …
 
In this Episode we chat with Peri Zahnd. Peri Zahn is the co-pastor of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph MO. Along with her husband Brian. They have committed their entire adult life to this calling and Word of life just celebrated 40 years. She was trained in spiritual direction by Benedictine Sisters and is completing a master’s in ministry now t…
 
In this episode we talk with Brian Zahnd. Brian Zahnd is the founder and lead pastor of Word Of Life Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Brian and his wife, Peri, founded the church in 1981. Brian is also the author of several books, including, Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, Water to Wine, A Farewel…
 
Christopher Eaker and Maggie Schlosser are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and M…
 
In this episode we talk with Todd Vick. Todd is a husband, father, grandfather, bestselling author, award-winning writer, podcaster, and conference speaker. His first book, The Renewing of Your Mind, debuted as #1 New Release and #1 Bestseller on Amazon. His next book, The Reconstructing of Your Mind, is available NOW. His podcast, The Reconstructi…
 
In this episode we get the honor to once again chat with Wm Paul Young. Wm Paul Young, is a Canadian author. He wrote the novels The Shack, Cross Roads, Eve , and the non-fiction book Lies We Believe About God. Paul also co-authored the recent release The Pastor: A Crisis With Brad Jersak. You can connect With Paul Young on: Facebook Twitter Instag…
 
Christopher Eaker and Maggie Schlosser are spiritual directors that like talking about spiritual things. Spiritual direction is a listening ministry that creates a sacred space for you to listen to God, see where God is at work in your life, and grow in awareness of who you were created to be. We would love to hear from you! Email Christopher and M…
 
In this episode we talk with Niq Ruud. Niq's bio in his own words: The funky spelling is my dad’s fault, but it’s just pronounced like your favorite Christmas saint. I grew up in the good ole Pacific Northwest which means I like doing stuff outside—alpine climbing, sailing, surfing, skiing, cycling, et cetera. I studied religion in college (Walla W…
 
In this episode we talk with Jared Byas. Jared Byas is cohost of the popular podcast The Bible for Normal People and coauthor of the book Genesis for Normal People. Jared is the author of the book Love Matters More: How Fighting to Be Right Keeps Us from Loving Like Jesus He has served as a teaching pastor and a professor of philosophy and biblical…
 
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